sharing bout one of the preaching of rev. stephen tong

整本圣经强调不用单一见证。 这和其他宗教不同。
每个人宜用不同角度看神。连一本圣经都用四十多个作者来描述神的世界。
旧约有记录：若要批旁一个Decen需要两个人以上。
Testimonial does not come from single testimony, and 独一见证不是圣经的原则。
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God come to the world to tell the truth to people,
but ppl choose to lsiten no meaning words.

tn this world, it is difficult to estimate that got people really 渴慕道，明白道。
if one really understand the meaning of words, one will really change.

disciples in peace, they follow Jesus tenderly, but when Christ was crucified on the cross,
all run away. if the disciples also like that,
how can the Pharisee can understand the words of the law?

the words became man, come to the world, as the origins(原版)
ppl dun like, because the truth harm their dignity, harm their pride.
when the words bring no goodness to them, they will not listen the words and their dignity become their God.

Words is a spoken language of the eternal life. record of the words is the record of the life's.
the real life is God, not the words.

knowledge is not the things that written, is the life that one live the life out. the knowledge in the books and the knowledge in life is two different things. what one know and do what in life-> is the moral life. if not live it out knowledge is a dead thing.

the life is nt in the world, but in the cognitive content, interpersonal relationship.
in knowledge, one know God, but in experience of life, when one does not live it our;
it makes the person does not understand at all the law.
the objective truth is the knowledge of the truth itsef,
while the subjectivity of truth is the experience whr one experience the truth.

during the days of the bible, Jews did not reali knw the truth, they cannot accept that they God have to die once to save their life, hence Jesus is crucified.
if they knew the truth, they would knw that who and wat is the important.
有知识，但没真理，知识就是假的。真理是超越知识的。
有知识的人，不代表有真理。

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for many people, the reason they choose not to accept and believe Jesus is nt because the truth is unreasonable,; but there's motive behind them, and the motive for them is reasonable nt to believe Jesus Christ.

Law -> most law is nt the main point or the most contribute. Law itsef is the 本质 of God, while LOVE is the thing tat work wif the law.. law itsef is not law, it's a purpose - the purpose to fulfill what is the process of salvation ,and the love is the 原动力 behind the law.

Law is not create to be follow, but is to help u understand that u cannot follow law, u need the help frm God to help u. the purpose of law and prophet is to emphasize the death if Jesus, in bible, Jesus too told the people that law and prophet points to them.. and also the scene where Jesus appear wif Moses and Elijah.

that's all i remember, if gt mix up or quite not in proper position.. paiseh for that^^

人的贪图无厌

约4：你所得到的，是有限的...不是永恒的... 而你的贪是无限的...

人有个无限的灵魂，却有个有限的肉体。而这无限的灵，有着无限的需要，
这需要是永远不能被有限的身体来满足的。
这是一个很反合性的东西。人一直用有限的意志去做一些来满足他们无限的需要。
就如蛇吞象。

而神，为何要创造一个这么反合性的人呢？对我而言，神是要让人知道，靠自己是不能满足自己的需要，
而真正能满足自己的需要，是寻求神的国，和神的义。所以，我们因该紧紧依靠神。

有时，人因没法满足自己的需要，人会选择走上自杀的路程； 最普遍的原因也来之于失去了希望，
他们认为已经失去了希望，所以失去了生命也是能接受的。

人的价值难道只是金钱吗？物品吗？还是爱情吗？人若赚得全世纪，赔上自己的生命，又什么益处呢?

我非常赞同，一个人觉得自己配的时，他是堕落的开始；
但一个人觉得自己不配的时，就是神救赎的开始。
这可以看浪子回头的比喻……

资本主义带入教会？

资本主义-〉原则：付出才得来回报；

能用在教会吗？合乎圣经指导吗？
是为了回报才去付出吗？
利益的吸引才跟从吗？
如果没有利益还会跟随吗？

我个人觉得，资本主义是建立在人堕落的理性关系上。
为什么我会这样说呢？
-我的付出是建立在“回报”上，若不，就不会付出。
-若用在教会里，教友们对教会不就成了为利益而付出吗？
因此，我认为是一个自私的思想，也是骄傲的行为。
“因为我配得，所以若对我有利，我才会”投资”。若不，我就收手。”
资本主义是一种用人堕落的思构，是一个要求回报的错误motive来成为运作的。
这……不是圣经的指导。

真理- 谈知识

若有人自以为知道一切，却没有察觉自己并不知道；
就不会有学习的动机，也不会有想学习的心了。

我对这话的感触很深。因为，曾面对如此的人，我们永远不能100%了解真理的。
更何况用我们堕落的理性。但是，既然我们都不可能达到100%的了解，
为什么我们还是要学习去了解呢？既不是自讨苦吃？

有时候，更夸张的是，有人甚至决定接受对自己有利的“真理”，
而那些对自己不利，或不顺耳的，完全抛到一边。
有些还视路边垃圾为一些绝对而不放手的真理。看了，真的可笑可悲呢。

我个人相信真理不是顺从我们的，是我们得去顺从的。因为是真理，所以我们的了解并更不要放手遍离。
就是因为真理永恒和权威性，所以更不能轻看真理。所以更有学习的价值吧。
但是很常时候，人就会很矛盾，对这些又很blind的。
我就拿出一个类比学：
很常时候，我们等巴士时，为了准时去工作，我们安排自己的时间去配合巴士的时间表。
但是，为什么我们不能adjust我们自己为了配合真理的教导及原则呢？为什么要真理顺从我们呢？

真理就像巴士一样，有他的时间表，有时我们就得等，为等到对的时间，对的巴士的到来。
若我们赶时间，我们乱乱跳上了巴士，就可能踏错巴士。

真理因此有了自己的主权，而不是我们……

understand the un-understanding

sometimes, i owas think, wat is understand reli means? what does understand's limitation till? and how is the deepness of understand then can be categorize as understand? sometimes, understand can be a crazy things, sometimes, it can be a torture things, sometimes, i can be also an fearful things... is understand reli important? do we have to understand something, or everything? why muz we understand things that sometimes, we are nt understand? is tat reli that important?
to be cont...

a q n a frm me to a frenz

Colis Tian 09 December at 22:51
questions my brother asked, see if you can provide some clue for me =)

1. Satan was an archangel. He was proud and wanted to be the same level with God. So Satan is sin or Satan creates sin? When human sins, people say it's satan's work, it's sin, so is this human's sin same with satan's sin? If angel sins, why God allows it at the very first?

2. In the book of Revelation, james saw how many people die and go to hell, how many people stay on earth to suffer and how many people are raised to the heaven. Does god actually predict what will happen in the future? If so, does that mean that who will be saved is actually decided by god? some listen but don't believe, some never heard of jesus, are these decided, predicted? Then whether a person will enter heaven is not by his will?

Dunno whether you will understand me. Would be grateful if you reply.

my reply:
1. if u admit that satan creates sin or satan is sin, than u have to agree on the theory of duality, the co-existence of good and evil at the same time. with this u have to agree that God and satan exist at the same time, and this is not accept by us,christian. ppl sins out of own will, u can refer the bible. we owas throw the respondsible to satan,bt actualy is us, who choose to sin. well, the existance of satan is allow by God, if nt, there's nth we can win for, to fight win something, we muz hav a enemy to win, right, hence, it'z allow by God, bt in the ramp of God. human's sin and satan's sin nt same. human's sin can be forgive and save into eternity. while satan's nt, as we have the rotten body that can be thrown away, bt nt wif satan.

2. God do not predict, if u say God predit, u have to admit that the power of God is limited in the limitation of Time, we knw that God create time, hence God do not limited by the time. God predestine the future. God knw who will be save, who will stay, and who will pass away. yes, God choose who being saved or nt, u can refer to stephen tong's preach 真神找人，假神人找。in youtube got. yes, God predestine that who will be safe or nt. in dunno wat verse,
Jesus say , 若父不吸引你，你不会到我这里来…… i forgot hw it say, bt merely like tat la.. if nt touch by God, human NEVER will ecept God's salvation. a person enter heaven is nt the will of human himself, if we say like tat, we have to admit that buddish, muslim, other religion can masuk heaven ler. human's fallen will never will lead them to work to go to heaven de. this is our limitation of understanding of God's 主权。we owas limited God's power and predestination wif our will of change, take example la, we usually think if we pray, the person will be saved, bt it's nt becoz we pray, that person will be saved, bt we pray and rely on God and introduce God to him, then he will be saved.

i hope that this help u, im apologize that im limited wif the knowledge and the language usage.

约翰6章- share by junsin~

6章开始是讲关于五饼二鱼的的神迹
那时代的人，耶路撒冷的，天天看见耶稣的神迹奇事，听见耶稣的讲道。早已觉得稀松平常，见怪不怪，因为太多了。
常常听，却越听越钝；常常看，却越看越盲。有时候，

象我们每个星期来唐崇荣查经班，却不见任何复兴。唐牧师觉得这是不好的。像在印尼的情况真的差很多，
只要那里有布道会，他们的教友就会自己买机票订酒店过去看他们怎么做，怎么传道。
有需要帮忙的，他们也不说二话的就自己拿钱出来攒足布道会。

而上次的圣诞节柔佛邀请唐牧师讲道，聚会完毕的时候组办人却向牧师透露他们办这次圣诞布道，还少RM3000

唐牧师知道了，也二话不说自己掏钱三千给了他们
*这个请人来讲道，还要人家贴钱，这个很差劲啊，怪不得唐牧师觉得马来西亚和印尼真的是不同。malaysia的基督徒要好好检讨了=。=唐牧师说我们没有准备奉献的心。当举办一个活动时，该懂得首先奉献的，应该是筹委员。住宿费，交通费，场地费。

筹委员是该首先奉献的。因为钱在哪里，心就在那里。当懂得付出时，回报也是源源不绝的。上帝的心意高过人的心意。
如果斤斤计较，事工是做不好的。
以色列是上帝拣选的城市，但人心却远离上帝的道，轻看上帝的道，以为靠自己的聪明智慧，自己的一套来避开神的道。
但是却不知道上帝能把领悟道的福气临到你，也能把领悟道的智慧从你身上挪移。
你以为是靠自己的聪明智慧脱离上帝的道，却实在是上帝的主权选择要让你明白或是不明白，能领受或不能领受。
当以为可以用自己的主权不听，滥用自己的自由，上帝就以他的主权放手。你以为自由了，却是走向灭亡。
*简单地说，以为自己很聪明，不听话，耍任性，那天父就不管你了咯，让自己去撞墙了才知道痛。这是她说的。
世界上有各种的道。但唯有神是真理的源头。是理性的创造者，所以超乎理性。
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在五饼二鱼的事迹里。耶稣去到山上，跟来了一大帮的人。耶稣就叫菲力预备食物给他们。
这里有两个东西：

第一个：面对侍奉，遇到困难时的态度与反应。
你可以看看菲力回应耶稣的方式和那小孩回应耶稣的方式有什么不同。

菲力总说没办法完成，他对上帝的信心是有所保留的。当遇到侍奉困难时，就疆在原地了。
但是这个情况也常常发生在我们的生活中吧？这个是信心的功课。

小孩的信心。。圣经用一个小孩和一个大人做对比。我有点点感触，是人经历越多，阅历越丰富，有时候却往往迷失了最核心的东西。我赞同，这也是我的小心的。
而小孩般的纯真却往往来带意想不到的结果。如果大人能把阅历转换成精华，化繁为简。。
就会少掉很多不必要的麻烦事吧。。

简单，是把复杂的东西精简化，让所做的事情产生更大的效益，让所处的环境带来最大的帮助。。
单纯，是原始的状态。不经污染。。。

菲力计算要用多少钱来满足那一蹦人，但要多少钱的食物才能满足这样多的人呢？
五千个男人，再加几千个女人，再加上老的少的，是怎么算都不够的。
自己想办法去找钱，钱硬是怎么看也看没有的。
反而凭着那小孩的五饼二鱼，事情反而成了。
不要以为自己有很多，人是不可能多过上帝的。在上帝里是没有所缺的。

第二个：是听道的动机与目的。
这个是唐牧师给的功课，第六章里的人们各个怀着不同的目的来听耶稣的道都是从不同群体来的人。
有些宗教团体是要找茬的，有些事为食物来的，还有其他的。

要省察自己听道的动机，总结就是上帝是看人心的。
奉献是照他所有，不是照他所没有的。只要从心的意愿，虽然少，上帝一样是重用。